Gidon and Hutch - November 28, 2023
The topics discussed in the meeting included the ongoing conflict in Israel and the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, the potential for renewed fighting, the importance of Israel’s hostage situations, the international response to the Israeli conflict, the displacement of Palestinian people, the issue of territorial borders, the population and security measures in Gidon’s community, the tensions and conflicts between Jewish and Palestinian communities, historical persecution of Jews, the root causes of hate, and the global hate towards Jewish people.
Israel-Hamas Ceasefire and Renewed Conflict Discussion
Gidon discussed the ongoing conflict in Israel, specifically focusing on the week-long ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas. However, he also reported that there was an attack by Hamas on Israel, injuring three soldiers, which might lead to a return to fighting. Hutch confirmed having read about an explosive detonation near some soldiers.
Discussion on Telegram, Prisoner Exchanges, and US-Iraq War
Hutch and Gidon had a wide-ranging discussion. They mentioned Amir Tzarfati’s telegram channel for updates https://t.me/s/beholdisraelchannel. They also touched upon prisoner exchanges, with Hutch questioning the concept of unequal exchanges. Gidon shared insights into Israel’s approach to hostage situations, emphasizing the high value they place on returning their citizens. The conversation ended with Gidon commenting on the disproportionate attention the West pays to Israeli issues. Finally, they discussed the reasons behind the United States’ decision to go to war against Iraq in the early 21st century, with Gidon suggesting it was motivated by economic interests.
Israeli Conflict and Global Response
Gidon and Hutch primarily discussed the international response to the Israeli conflict. Gidon expressed concerns over the lack of global support for Israel, including financial resources and troop contributions, as well as possible changes in US policy under President Biden. Hutch agreed that a two-state solution might be challenging to implement. Gidon also emphasized the importance of other countries avoiding taking sides, citing traditional anti-Semitism and double standards against Israel, which he believes leads to negative media portrayals. He suggested that a two-state solution and a ceasefire could potentially mitigate these issues.
Palestinian Displacement and Israeli-Palestinian Relations
Hutch and Gidon discussed the ongoing issue of the displacement of Palestinian people with no country willing to take them in. Hutch asked Gidon to represent the Jewish viewpoint on the situation. Gidon suggested that more freedom for Palestinians to emigrate would be beneficial. He also mentioned an idea he had heard of breaking Israel and the West Bank into cantons, creating mini states with greater freedom for the Palestinian cantons. However, he expressed concern over the potential loss of Israel’s Jewish majority and the possible threat to its existence. He suggested a solution where a peaceful Palestinian state is established in the West Bank, with Jews, like himself, able to live there without fear and be able to participate in Israeli elections.
Territorial Borders and Taxation Discussion
Gidon and Hutch discussed the complexities of territorial borders, using Alaska and Kansas City as examples. Gidon shared his experiences of living near the border between two states and the challenges of cross-border interactions. The conversation then shifted to taxation, with Gidon explaining that some Palestinians working in Israeli territories do pay income tax. However, there were concerns raised about these funds potentially being used to pay salaries to terrorists or their families.
Community Security and Relations
Gidon discussed the population and security measures in his community, explaining that there are around two million people living there and that security passes are used to prevent people from passing through with weapons. He shared his efforts to establish friendly relations with the neighboring community Bani Naim, but expressed frustration at the lack of reciprocation and the recurring security issues originating from that community. Gidon also mentioned a sign that prohibited Israeli Jews from entering the neighboring community.
Jewish-Palestinian Conflict Discussion
Hutch and Gidon discussed the tensions and conflicts between Jewish and Palestinian communities, specifically referring to incidents of lynching and violence by some Palestinians against those perceived as collaborators. They expressed concern over the deep-seated hatred and the double standards they observed.
Jewish Resilience and Anti-Semitism Awareness
Gidon reflected on the historical persecution of Jews, emphasizing their resilience and strength through adversity. He also tied this into the biblical prophecy of Ezekiel, “Dry Bones,” interpreting it as a metaphor for the Jewish people’s survival and return to their homeland. Hutch concurred with Gidon’s interpretation, linking it to the current events of Jews returning to Israel. Hutch also introduced an anti-Semitism awareness campaign in the United States and questioned the feasibility of stopping hate in general.
Root Causes of Hate Discussed
Hutch and Gidon discussed the root causes of hate, with Hutch suggesting that it could be due to ignorance, such as blindly accepting a narrative without investigation or personal experience, or due to generational prejudices. Gidon, however, expressed his belief that hate stems from immaturity and suggested that it is self-destructive. Both agreed that hate is a complex emotion with multiple potential causes.
Spiritual Approach to Global Anti-Semitism
Hutch and Gidon discussed the global hate towards Jewish people, attributing it to a spiritual issue rooted in Satanism. Hutch emphasized the need to address this issue spiritually, rather than with physical weapons or political solutions. Gidon shared his observation about some former Muslims who had a spiritual awakening and started believing in Jesus, leading to a change in their perspective towards Israelis and Jews. Hutch also suggested that the complexity of the issue lies in the fact that it cannot be resolved through education or debates.