Gidon Ariel and Jason Caplan - November 6, 2023
Gidon and Jason discuss the current global situation, focusing on the moral clarity demonstrated by some institutions. They also touch on the importance of moral thinking, the danger of group identity and enemy creation, and the influence of religious leaders. Gidon and Jason also discuss the situation in Memphis regarding support for the Jewish community and Israel and the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. They also talk about anti-semitism and Islamophobia and the importance of standing together in the face of conflict.
Moral Clarity and Global Situation
Gidon and Jason discussed the current global situation, focusing on the moral clarity that some institutions have demonstrated in response to recent events. Gidon expressed his concern that clarity might be short-lived as institutions try to bring back the fog of ambiguity. Jason expressed his hope that the clarity would persist and that President Biden would maintain his strong stance against Hamas. They also touched on the importance of moral thinking and the dangers of group identity and enemy creation, referencing the movie ‘The Wave.’
Memphis Jewish-Christian-Muslim Relations Discussed
Gidon and Jason discussed the situation in Memphis regarding support for the Jewish community and Israel. Jason shared his experiences organizing events and rallies, noting an overwhelmingly positive response from the Christian community. He expressed disappointment in the lack of support from the Muslim community, despite his efforts to engage them. Gidon acknowledged the influence of religious leaders and the need for a change in mindset. They also discussed the importance of solidarity and unity in the face of conflict.
Anti-Semitism Worldwide Concerns
Jason and Gidon discussed the current state of anti-Semitism worldwide and its disturbing similarities to the late 1930s and 1940s. Jason expressed his concerns about the rise of anti-Semitism and the lack of response from those who should speak out, but noted the differences in their ability to defend themselves with the existence of the state of Israel and their own army. Both agreed on the importance of standing together in the face of anti-Semitism.
Donations vs. Taxes in Israel’s Budget
Gidon discussed the amount of donations received from Jewish federations around the world and stated that it barely scratches the tax income of the state of Israel. He emphasized that the majority of the state’s budget comes from taxes paid by Israeli citizens. Jason agreed with Gidon’s assessment. Gidon also mentioned that the donations from American Jews might only make up a small percentage of the state’s budget.
Middle East Conflict and Moral Courage
Jason and Gidon discussed the ongoing conflict in the Middle East and the potential of mass Jewish visits to the region. They also touched on the morally inconsistent society they live in, the application of the Geneva Conventions, and the concept of moral courage. Gidon struggled to understand the courage aspect of Jason’s position, leading to a discussion about the importance of public demonstrations of support for Israel. The conversation ended with Jason praising those who demonstrate moral courage, including President Biden, and emphasizing the need for people to take a stand for their beliefs, even if they disagree with politicians on other issues.
Israel, Palestine, and Radical Islam Discussion
Gidon and Jason discuss the recent events in Palestine and Israel, with Gidon asking if more people have come on board with Israel and Jason expressing concern about the silence of some religious leaders. They also talk about anti-semitism and Islamophobia, with Jason saying that he is generally scared of radical Islam and that it’s not equal between Jews and Muslims. They agree that as Israel grows and the Jewish people grow stronger, they will be teachers to the world. Gidon shares a video he has seen on social media, and they discuss the importance of not fooling people into believing everything is equal.