Did you sign up to receive THE LIST of atrocities against Jews? Did you read that list on the 9th of Av which was on July 22, 2018?

Then now it is your turn to talk to us. This week’s column will be “written” in your comments.

Woman Writing a Letter in 1918

Note, depending on when you write it may take us up to 24 hours for us to approve them, so readers will need to “check back” periodically to see the full article as it is written.

Don’t know what you might say? Here are a few optional ideas to guide you:

  • How did it feel to read THE LIST on the 9th of Av?
  • What most surprised you?
  • What important fact did you learn?
  • Did the book of Lamentations play a role in your experience? how did you use it?
  • Did God speak to you through this experience?
  • Do you expect to be any different for having done this?

16 thoughts on “Studio See: 011 – Now it’s Your Turn to Talk”

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    Eicha, the Hebrew name for the book of Lamentations, means how. Interestingly, this is a question that I asked myself so many times as I read this list. How could people who professed to be followers of Christ be involved in such acts? How did Jews survive these acts for centuries holding on so tenaciously to their beliefs even when they were so systematically and relentlessly persecuted? Questions we may never really have the answers to, but my thoughts kept returning to the verse, Jeremiah 32:42, “For here is what Adonai says: Just as I have brought this complete disaster on this people, so likewise I will bring on them all the good I have promised them.” None can question but that the plan and purpose of the Father has always been to restore His people. While we cannot change the history of atrocities, we can acknowledge the acts, take responsibility for and turn from them in genuine and heartfelt repentance knowing that by doing so we are affirming our own belief in the covenant-keeping and restorative power of our heavenly Father.
    How do we as Christians and Jews move forward though from this point? The pain of the wounds from these acts perpetrated over such a long time and done with such alacrity seems almost irreparable. Just saying you are sorry and you won’t do something again can’t always make things right, no matter how sincere the apology or regret when the pain remains. Likewise, saying you forgive someone who has hurt you so deeply over such a long time is much easier said than done when the pain remains. I think the Lord answered this one himself though in Jeremiah 32:27, “Look, I am Adonai, the God of every living creature, is there anything too hard for me?” No Lord, there is nothing too hard for you, even reconciliation between your children when the pain remains.

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    I just got off a very powerful prayer call. We gathered today on a phone conference call
    on the 9th of Av to pray together corporately, over all the sins and
    atrocities that have been committed against the Jews over the centuries.

    In preparation for the prayer call, we all read through the 42 page
    document that was associated to the petition that many have signed.
    There were MANY things in the document that I NEVER KNEW, details about
    the persecution and atrocities committed against the Jews.

    For example, did you know that there are statues carved in STONE on the
    very church where Martin Luther worshipped, called “Judensau”, which
    shows Jews suckling on the teats of a pig, AND a rabbi getting his
    “food” from the anal area/feces of the pig? They talked about REMOVING
    this statue before the 500 yr anniversary of the Protestant movement,
    but the petition to remove the statue from the church was denied. This is so shameful.
    These Judensau statues are ALL OVER EUROPE on MANY churches.

    Anyway, as we prayed prayers of repentance, the HOLY SPIRIT fell in a
    mighty way. Weeping and sobbing and brokeness came upon us. It was God
    Himself weeping in us and through us. It was HIS TEARS sliding down our
    cheeks.

    Each one shared some event in history that broke their heart to read of it, and then
    prayed repentance prayer confessing the sins of our forefathers in the spirit of Leviticus 26:40-46.
    We also prayed into Daniel’s prayer of repentance from Daniel 9….

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      Ray Montgomery

      Dear Laura, your comment (and Cathy’s below) moved me to tears. Thank you for sharing your story of how this affected you and your friends, which validates my own journey as I worked through what I learned. Your comment about “HIS TEARS sliding down our cheeks” really touched me, for this was where my journey took me too. Blessings, Ray.

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    Today a small group of intercessors met to repent for the atrocities to the Jewish people after receiving your list of 47 pages earlier in the week. We each had agreed to read it prior to our meeting today. I wept my way through the list and was unable to take it in all at once. It took me maybe 4 or 5 hours over a two-day period to work through the list because it was so painful and I needed time to research some of the references to gain more understanding. I was appalled by the Judensau (Jewish pig) images that are even today still found on church buildings in Europe(!), as well as the hate-filled rhetoric used by Martin Luther and other church leaders and fathers concerning the Jewish people.This information enabled me to understand the incredible power that Hitler wielded in a Christian nation to be able slaughter 6 million Jews. Today, as we met to tearfully repent and to cry out for forgiveness, we followed the Leviticus 26 mandate to repent not only for ourselves, and for our forefathers, but for our nation. It seemed very clear the Holy Spirit was saying that what we did today was just the beginning, that we are responsible to make this available to others. Thank you so much for compiling the information. May it go viral and may the outrage and conviction bring about numerous solemn assemblies and true repentance in the Body of Messiah.

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      Ray Montgomery

      Dear Cathy, your comment (and Laura’s above) moved me to tears. Your journey echoed and paralleled so much of my own. You make many excellent points, and I particularly like your last sentence about the prospect of this leading to solemn assemblies, which is something I hadn’t even considered – but which resonated deep within me. Blessings, Ray.

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    Allan Johnson

    Some things that came to my attention today in reading through the list –

    1) I began to get angry around page 29 and 30, to see such foul language used by Martin Luther in writing about the Jewish people. And this coming from one whom we’ve been taught to respect for his scholarly opinions on Biblical topics.

    2) The frequent repetition of a description of Jews as “those who killed Jesus”. This perception comes from some deep misunderstandings. The Scriptures make it clear that his dying on our behalf was an essential piece of a master plan that had been ordained from the foundation of the world – with a clear description of what was to happen found in Isaiah 53:5 and surrounding verses. Then Jesus tells us even before it happens, “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.” (John 10:17-18) And then just before being put on the cross, he says, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” (Luke 23:34) How can we take offense at what he has already forgiven? And why would we take offense in the first place? If he hadn’t been crucified, then where would we be?

    3) At least two mentions of an idea that the Old Testament should be rejected, replaced by just the New Testament. It may be that this mistaken perspective has contributed to the deep misunderstandings of point 2. The words that God passed down to us through the Old Testament prophets are essential, as the foundation of our understanding of what God then proceeded to do in the New Testament.

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    Allan Johnson

    Following up my previous comment –

    Another thing that came to my attention yesterday in reading the list of atrocities. We all know of Hitler and the evils he committed against the Jewish people before he was defeated in World War 2. What I didn’t know is that Hitler was continuing in a long tradition of false theology that had been simmering for many centuries among those who called themselves theologians, but yet were misconstruing what the Scriptures say. In the list I see this as early as 50-117 CE from Ignatius of Antioch, followed by quite a number of “scholars” whose names we’ve probably heard, from that time up to around 400 CE.

    As an antidote to their misleading perspective, I very much appreciate what I’m seeing in a book that was brought to my attention by the list. See the top of page 33 – Tancred, by Benjamin Disraeli, in 1847. I haven’t yet read all of it, but was able to find my way to what strikes me as a focal point of the story. Is there a way that perhaps we could get the perspective of this book into the hands of every person who hasn’t yet been delivered from the misleading and poisoned doctrine called “replacement theology?” Two places you can readily read the book are 1) from https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Tancred; 2) a free Kindle version from Amazon.com.

    Let me go ahead and paste in the important piece that I read last night, found in chapter XXVI of Tancred –

    “Now tell me: suppose the Jews had not prevailed upon the Romans to crucify Jesus, what would have become of the Atonement?’

    ‘I cannot permit myself to contemplate such contingencies,’ said Tancred. ‘The subject is too high for me to touch with speculation. I must not even consider an event that had been pre-ordained by the Creator of the world for countless ages.’

    ‘Ah!’ said the lady; ‘pre-ordained by the Creator of the world for countless ages! Where, then, was the inexpiable crime of those who fulfilled the beneficent intention? The holy race supplied the victim and the immolators. What other race could have been entrusted with such a consummation? Was not Abraham prepared to sacrifice even his son? And with such a doctrine, that embraces all space and time; nay more, chaos and eternity; with divine persons for the agents, and the redemption of the whole family of man for the subject; you can mix up the miserable persecution of a single race! And this is practical, not doctrinal Christianity. It is not found in your Christian books [the New Testament], which were all written by Jews; it must have been made by some of those Churches to which you have referred me. Persecute us! Why, if you believe what you profess, you should kneel to us! You raise statues to the hero who saves a country. We have saved the human race, and you persecute us for doing it.’

    ‘I am no persecutor,’ said Tancred, with emotion; ‘and, had I been so, my visit to Bethany would have cleansed my heart of such dark thoughts.’ “

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      Dear Allan, Thanks for this perspective. yes we mention Tancred as a positive thing in the year 1847. I find it interesting that it was released exactly 100 years before the UN voted in a Jewish state in 1947. Blessings, Bob.

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    Sarah Nyanath Elijah Yong

    I have always know of the two great suffering the Jewish people were subjected to and that is when they were in Egypt and the Holocaust and others seem be minor because they were fighting back with great zeal as people of God. But after reading the 9 Av series of atrocities committed by done other than Christian. left me mind boggled. I thought African never mistreated any race or nation with the exception of Egypt, but we have all committed atrocities against the Jewish. I wonder how the none Jewish to kill the Jewish in the name of one of their own and that We Christian can’t part take with the killer of our Lord when He Himself is a Jewish. I failed to comprehend the logic because if God allowed His Son to be born a Jewish and they kill Him than it is none of the Christian business but the Jewish family affair. How shamefully did we commit all the horrific act against the people of Jew and today we goes around the world as people of God and followers of Christ but literally abused His people. Ho! I never learn how the laws of Moses were corrupted to meet the man desired objectives and the history never told truthfully because of the guilt associated with us the Christian. Ho! I how I repent for such crime. I pray that God will restored all that is lost the land and the Laws including the offerings practices that have been left in the name of the New Testament. The Rebuilding of the temple should Christians who truly repent take the lead in rebuilding. I am glad to learn this truths and represent for my faith for the crime committed in the past and present against the Jewish. Coming from South Sudan Nuer Tribe I who are currently facing being wipe out in the name of our tribe and it pain. My Condolence to all the fallen Jewish through the ages. I repent and may God Almighty, Most Gracious and Most Merciful forgive primarily my sin and secondly my nation and continent sin and all the Christian community sin.
    May He receive Praise, Worship and Honor for this chance He granted me to know the truth about His people and His words. Amen

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    Sarah Nyanath Elijah Yong

    I have always know of the two great suffering the Jewish people were subjected to and that is when they were in Egypt and the Holocaust and others seem be minor because they were fighting back with great zeal as people of God. But after reading the 9 Av series of atrocities committed by done other than Christian. left me mind boggled. I thought African never mistreated any race or nation with the exception of Egypt, but we have all committed atrocities against the Jewish. I wonder how the none Jewish to kill the Jewish in the name of one of their own and that We Christian can’t part take with the killer of our Lord when He Himself is a Jewish. I failed to comprehend the logic because if God allowed His Son to be born a Jewish and they kill Him than it is none of the Christian business but the Jewish family affair. How shamefully did we commit all the horrific act against the people of Jew and today we goes around the world as people of God and followers of Christ but literally abused His people. Ho! I never learn how the laws of Moses were corrupted to meet the man desired objectives and the history never told truthfully because of the guilt associated with us the Christian. Ho! I how I repent for such crime. I pray that God will restored all that is lost the land and the Laws including the offerings practices that have been left in the name of the New Testament. The Rebuilding of the temple should be Christians who truly repent to take the lead in rebuilding as an act of redemption of the wrong done. I am glad to learn this truths and represent for my faith for the crime committed in the past and present against the Jewish. Coming from South Sudan Nuer Tribe I who are currently facing being wipe out in the name of our tribe and it pain. My Condolence to all the fallen Jewish through the ages. I repent and may God Almighty, Most Gracious and Most Merciful forgive primarily my sin and secondly my nation and continent sin and all the Christian community sin.
    May He receive Praise, Worship and Honor for this chance He granted me to know the truth about His people and His words. Amen

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      Dear Sarah, what a beautiful note you write from the African perspective. Blessings, Bob.

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    Tamarine A Henslee

    As predicted It was depressing to read the list of atrocities. I felt the the helplessness and frustration that comes when trying to contend with the power of the mob embroiled in ignorance that does not even try to discover truth and is consumed in their rage all based on lies.
    I was surprised by the blind acceptance of the false descriptions of Jews and the belief that they did things that are exact opposite to the true beliefs and practices of a nation that obviously loves God so deeply and faithfully. Most shocking is the Judensau and how when the request was made to remove the one on Luther’s home church was a denied. How can this be in these times of readily available information? Any reasonable person would remove it. Even if the building were damaged; let it fall! In view of what the modern Church allows and accepts that it does these days surely it would be able to promote truth and destroy the contemptible lie of the image of the Judensau. The spell checker does not even recognize the term Judensau.
    I noticed how the Jews were used by nations and communities who allowed them to return when they needed their finances. The pogroms obviously were motivated by the plans to rob the Jews.
    Reading the book of lamentations took on new meaning after learning about 9th of Av.
    I cold see God moving in the actions that were positive but imagine the pain and sorrow He must feel at the things these atrocities reveal about men’s hearts.
    And I am ashamed to know that I too could have accepted and ignored (for whatever reason) and turned the eye away from these things if I had lived in those years. Appalling! I am grateful that I now know the truth and have been made aware of what is going on today. So thanks Bob and Ray and Root Source for what you do.

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      Dear Tamarine, That is an amazing comment about the spellchecker not recognizing the word “Judensau”. Regarding the petition, here are two resources. First a video interview of Richard Harvey explaining the background of these and also a map showing their locations: https://root-source.com/blog/judensau-the-jew-hate-continues-even-today/ And secondly, the petition can still be signed. The link to sign it is https://www.change.org/p/relocate-the-wittenberg-judensau Blessings, Bob

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    As I read page after page of the atrocities inflicted on the Jewish people,I could find no words to describe my feelings. However, like Jeremiah, despite the circumstances, I know that God is sovereign and in control.and He will restore the years that the locusts have eaten.

    Like many others I was aware of the centuries of persecution against the Jewish people. The partial list
    in The Israel Bible, edited by Rabbi Tuly Weisz is probably familiar to all those who love and know Israel’s history.

    However, I had no idea of the magnitude of these unspeakable crimes until I read your list. Thank you
    for all your research and bringing the truth into the light so we could repent, ask for forgiveness and do all we can to love and bless God’s Chosen People.
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    This isn’t probably the typical response, but that’s how it felt for me. I unfortunately didn’t have Tisha B’Av fully off of work – (I work with handicapped people and working weekends and different shifts is the norm), so I could only focus on the list in the morning for a few hours… (as a sidenote I wouldn’t have lumped in the Roman occupation and wars together with the atrocities committed by Christians) I also was aware of the slandering doctrines of the church fathers and as a German am very aware and constantly conscious of our recent and even earlier history.. I knew of the various pogroms in Worms, Speyer and along the Rhein (grew up in Stuttgart and live now in Heidelberg – all in close proximity) and knew of Luther and his writings and of course the inhumane atrocities against Jews during the Shoah. Especially among Christians there are a few reconciliation movements and “Marches of life”-initiatives and rememberances in various cities, and in every city there’s a memorial.. And I was and am still overwhelmed at the sheer endless amount of murder and crimes against God’s people. Two years back, I also signed the petition to take off the “Judensau” in Wittenberg… Well, they say they don’t want to erase our problematic history, but if that propagates still animosities, and also causes uncomfort, than this has to go. However, it all comes to nothing, when one doesn’t connect it to the current situation, News propaganda by the Arabs finding it’s way through our media and the “sentiments against Israel” in our days and I find myself frustrated by the lack of changes that can be achieved. Or what I always think, when reading these overwhelming bad stories is, that we literally cursed ourselves in committing these crimes, in hating Jews and believing these wrong theologies, that I realize there won’t come much change as long as we have these wrong roots, and get nurtured from that.. and I really want to get out of “Babylon” so to speak and as far away from this rotten doctrines of the church fathers.. I can’t stand it – also that there’s still a lot of replacement theology going on (everything that replaces G-d’s will/teaching, His feasts, His temple, His people). I’m so disgusted by this twisting of G-d’s word. I mean each one of us can only be accounted for his own deeds, but we can pray like Daniel in a way, to admit to the wrong of the father’s and that G-d’s judgement is just and pray for repentance in our and others hearts.. and that I will do.
    At the moment though, my prayer is more for a return to the original teaching, for Christians to realize, that they can only spiritually grow and have sound teachings, when they also learn together and have fellowship with Jews as well (Acts 15:21).

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      Hi Dorothe, you are writing in more detail than many. Sounds like you are already very sensitized to the facts of history. The change we most desire is a change inside the hearts of the readers, and we let God handle the big picture as only He can! Blessings, Bob.

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